Yeah I have the primaryKey Set on all the models that don't use just "id" that's why I posted it here to see if anyone else had seen this behavior. Its weird because its consistently the same records that will show blank players arrays or Team arrays. So I just started writing custom queries with joins using $this->PlayersToSeasons->query() and the problem is gone. I know that will send some Framework nazi's into committing suicide but you do what you have to to make your app work. Till I can sort out why cake is hanging me out to dry lol
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