Sunday, November 10, 2013

Re: Some talk about complex Applications with CakePHP

if this is going to be custom web app, based on your text i would really recommend you using mongodb for this one, it should solve you most of your concerns regarding speed. you have very good plugin of mongodb for cakephp.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Gaurav Matta <gauravgroups86@gmail.com> wrote:

Check this
http://itfeast.blogspot.in/2013/10/cakephp-query-and-cache-optimization.html?m=1

On 10-Nov-2013 8:21 PM, "Ighor Martins" <ighor.martins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there!.

I'm a web developer from Portugal for like 8 years. I have been using CakePHP for about 1 year and a half right now, and I'm pretty used to it, with a good knowledge of the Framework.

On the last month, the company I work for, decided to create a new company and engage on a new project.
The idea is to create a platform based on the needs of the company. It's something like these sites: http://www.lynda.com/https://www.coursera.org/ and etc, but a little bit more complex, since our final users isn't singular people, and some others functional requirements that has to be done.

So, Long story short, since last month we are developing a really small "sneak peek" of the platform working (because we need something functional ASAP), and then on the next month we're going to re-factor it all to develop the final product. As you can imagine I'm using CakePHP on this initial preview, and I'm wondering if I couldn't use CakePHP for the final product too.

We all know that a lot of people complain about CakePHP performance. But we know too that 80% of these complains is due to bad use of the Framework.
Ok, Cake has a way of working that in some cases may have a really big performance impact, for example it trying to format all the data into relational arrays, which could be a problem in querys that return a really big bunch of data, but ...
Sincerely performance isn't my biggest concern.
My biggest problem is:
This will be an application, with a custom software design. And CakePHP almost force us to follow it's strict design. At the same time, this platform won't require that enough for me to move to something like Zend. 

So, I have knowledge about Cake, but I don't really know the best practices to develop big applications with Cake. Only normal websites.
Sometimes I even feel like cake almost force us grow our controllers code instead of models, and that's what's making me sad.
To give you an example:
I normally do things like this on controllers:
$this->MyModel->find('all', array(
  'contain' => array(
     'SecondLevelThing' => array(
       'ThirdLevelThing' => array(
          'conditions' => 'thirdLevelThingConditions'
       ),
       'conditions' => 'secondLevelThingConditions' 
     )
  )
));

Then I need this same information on other places of application. So I just repeat the code, but as you can see, this is already a custom code, I can't be re-writing this everywhere.
So I should do something like:
$this->MyModel->id = x
$this->MyModel->getCustomInfo();

and this object method would return that information. But the problem is, when I do that, I see myself fighting against Cake default way of working in a lot of things, for example if I want to paginate that information, and other things.


I know CakePHP 3 will be there in a while to solve some of these issues, and it will finally return objects instead of arrays :)
but for now, how is the best design pattern to follow with CakePHP when developing big applications without fighting against the framewok?


Thank you guys.

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